Many companies make mistakes, sometimes huge. This just proves that point. This product has an average rating of 4 stars out of 5 stars from 3 ratings. Local politicians always give tax incentives to move. Includes larger .1555 MSRP: $111.99 $75.81. Pick something and follow it. When the Maryland Leftistlature passed the odious Gun Safety Act of 2013, making it illegal to purchase many of the firearms made by the venerable Beretta concern, they responded by building their new facility in Tennessee, giving Maryland a stalwart raised middle finger and taking a considerable amount of tax revenue with them.. Ive not the least doubt that the rest of Beretta will eventually follow. Glad I waited. Great gun. I sent an email and their response was the parts were out of stock. Tennessee welcomed Beretta with open arms and the employment of a lot a lot of people in well-paying jobs. Totally revitalized the economy of an American community with their 3rd plant. I just bought a DDM4V11 in January at an unheard of, low price of $1369. Overall, this is a good, solid rifle. Moved my medical business AND brought my family. Ive never had an issue with CTD in a decade. I was just about to purchase a 1911 with the deal Springfield is running this week. They make a so-so M14 copy that can only stand up because Norinco cant export their el-cheapo copy here anymore. Never bought anything Springfield Armory, never will! With all the gun control in northern Illinois how the hell can they screw all of us like this! CTD does our best to price our products at market value. That will never happen now. Should have just stuck to the point that hey, you can do anything you want to our dealers as long as you leave us out of it. Especially ones outside Chiraq. The RRAGE pistol features a 10.5-inch barrel. They spent weeks trying to gin up interest in the XD-E introduction with their mysterious ads, and it was all for nothing. So, youre not buying a bunch of Springfields new pistols? I asked one. Looked at a custom SA 1911 before purchasing an STI. Its GENESEO and its still about 3 hours from Chicago. Specifications and Features: Rock River Arms AR-15 Magazine AR0116N30 .223 Remington and 5.56 NATO 30 Round Capacity Anti-Tilt Follower Proven Reliability I imagine that there will be a few FFLs leaving IL. Customer service beyond any reproach. This will damage Springfield Armorys brand nation-wide, in a business where reputation is everything. Springfield Armory is a dishonest operation from stem to stern. If that hurts a company whos sold you out, good. People Of The Gun have long memories. and thats where the idea of 10 round limit for magazines originated,right from the mouth of Bill Ruger. because Im sure you dont live in illinios. theyre NOT trapped in Illinois,they can relocate,same as other gun companies have done. WebSo What Happened At Rock River Arms & Springfield Armory??? Either dont have any or I overpay to have the stock and have it at a price that everyone individual doesnt want to buy the whole lot at once. Id like to see Springfield make a correction here but it might be too late for that. I have been in similar situations where it is damned if I do damned if I dont. Springfield Armory, Rock River Arms Trade Opposition to Illinois FFL Licensing Scheme for Carve-Out. Those bastards. So I have to ask. I thought it was great that they were living in the same liberal hell hole that I was living in. Well I will see if I can make a good trade for STI, Para, or a cz had a cz 85 combat one time and traded it, was a real good gun in a 9 mm.Things like this is realy bad just cant trust anyone anymore. I own or have owned a number of AR's, including a couple of LaRue's, a KAC, a PWS and a POF. Meaning they are NOT a legal lobbyist. And whats worse, if it passes, Bloomberg will attempt to duplicate this legislation in all 50 states. Never, ever. Antifa is showing what they are willing to do, watch their fellow komrad take a LEO beanbag round to the wang and keep marching. WebCoyote Carbine Upper Half LAR-15M .300 AAC. Good for them, too. My hard earned money is going to be spent at Ruger. I cannot in good conscience support in any way a company that would pull this kind of stunt. The XD and Saint are good guns, but they really arent all that different from a lot of other good guns on the market. Its pretty much just SA and RRA (and maybe a few tiny shops, but those are pretty much the only two big gun makers in Illinois). By the time most of them have and Springfield Arms starts looking for a new home, they wont be welcome there. Meanwhile, over at the Rock River booth at the NRA convention, owner Chuck Larson has professed innocence in the matter. It may not even pass the House. Even if its expensive, SA is in a better position to pay the fee than Hank and Ethels gun shop. The innovation and embracing of modern ideas weve seen the last 10yrs (MSRs, suppressors, polymer everything, etc) never would have happened under Bill. He supported this legislation, (by not opposing it) that LIMITS CIVILIANS TO 9 FIREARM TRANSFERS PER YEAR!!!! you cant fix prices or youll get a shortage. IF WE LOSE RRA BECAUSE OF THIS HYSTERICAL REACTION, thats a blow to liberty. Im appalled that Rock River thinks that we are that gullible.. That kind of thing actually happens all the time in lobbying. Yes, a company can move and thrive, as it only a matter of time before the cutout is removed and they are closed down. You shouldve made that decision because it is a piece of garbage, not because of this hysterical article. Oh yes, the Senator behind the bill has many skeletons, http://chicago.suntimes.com/news/illinois-state-senator-don-harmon-law-firm-makes-millions-from-state-agencies-pension-funds-the-watchdogs-oak-park/. They did what they thought would keep the Criminal Clinton Administration from making a total all out war on guns. Im a New Yorker. Plenty of folks out there shooting LWRC, ArmaLite, DPMS who would argue theirs are reliable, accurate, & mo betta too. If youve already implemented them, great. The future for firearms manufacturers is less than certain due to falling demand and moving a 50year old corporation like SA out of state is a huge expenditure. Then beg for forgiveness. As the old adage goes, put up or shut up. Wrong. I would move EVERYTHING 25 miles West to Davenport Iowa. They ignored it. If you apply more than 9 make-ups in a year, you are in cosmetology businesses. Its like trying to work with Bloomberg himself. If truth about guns knows whats good for them, theyll be taking this story down and apologizing publicly for spreading untrue assumptions. once you jump in bed with the marketing types. Enjoy 45% Off Rock River Arms Goods At Walmart. The RRA LAR-15 is a quality gun, in just about any configuration you can come up with. So, buying 5 and selling 4 is the limit. I dont think youre using that word right. After asking you if youd like to sign up for a membership, and cc insurance. Huh? And the law mainly affecting small businesses, thats a feature, I think, not a bug. Please focus on customer relations and positioning strategies. Well, not basically, they did. Im sorry, I mean they would ask after putting you and your fliers in the dumpster. Nothing unethical about this practice. Perhaps a company thought they could pull a fast one and nobody would notice. We need the pistols to get to our rifles anyway. Its not difficult. Did Springfield get shouted down at their own party? Except they are both under different ownership today. Divide & conquer. I can promise that none, and I mean none of my not unsubstantial refund, is going to wind up in Springfields receivables account. There is NOTHING I need from a company that is obviously manipulating the system for themselves. Post interesting results everywhere. As a long-time, dedicated anti-gunner, this wasnt Senator Harmons first legislative rodeo. There is too much crap that I dont have a choice on (can you believe EVERY RV tire is made in China? They did what they had to do to stay profitable just like companies in Kalifornia and NewYork and liberal bastions. This rifle is fed by a 10-round AICS-pattern detachable box magazine. Rock River Arms has built a reputation as a quality maker of modern sporting rifles and offers an extremely diverse list of models and options. The S&W deal with Clinton was made on March 17, 2000 and the company was sold for $45 million ($15 million cash and $30 million in acquired debt) on May 11, 2001 Now that I understand what occurred its pretty obvious as gunners we need to pass on Springfield and run to Henry. Im not buying a damn thing from Springfield and there is NO EXPIRATION DATE ON THAT. Rock River Arms had one seat. Now Im off to call Cabelas and inform them of SAs treachery and why i will not buy from them as long as they carry SA product, http://www.cabelas.com/catalog/search.cmd?recordsPerPage=18&No=0&N=0&nl=true&Ntk=AllProducts&Ntt=Springfield+Armory&search=Search. I hear you on that Ruger. Who Makes Rock River Arms? Last trip to the range, ran a couple hundred rounds of all flavors through it without an FTE/FTF. With the Hillarys loss there is no longer a looming gun ban on the horizon and the firearm industry and market is facing a correction. The firearms community will be better without them. The plant where that rifle is made revitalized the area n which it is made. This isnt really about the law itself. They see deep-blue Illinois as a great place toenact more of their gun control schemes. It is the fault of the people in Illinois. As an Illinois dealer, I will no longer stock, sell or support Rock River Arms or Springfield Armory products. Maybe the deal was the result ofa lobbyist gone rogue. If you want to scope your BM 59, there is a company that makes a direct over the bore scope kit for Garands that fits the BM59. Now they will pay the price. His quote was basically the above damned if I do damned if I dont and that it wasnt worth the headache. From what I gathered from this article and all the information I viewed about this organization its hard to say just how much control SA and RRA has over the Illinois Firearms Manufacturers Association. Good grip, low muzzle flip/recoil, ambi controls, no mag safety and very easy to strip/reassemble. Thank God we have a Rural King now here local. This should put some perspective on how important this issue is to many of us. The LWRC, DD and BCM are ALL over $1300. Compare. I made the move to northwest Indiana 20 years ago. If one of them didnt actually know about this then thats really not fair. All evidence to the contrary? I hate to say this Tony, but you are completely clueless about lobbyists. Seems like a stand up guy to me. After further review, Rock River Arms, Inc. (RRA) is immediately severing all ties with the Illinois Firearms Manufacturers Association (IFMA). We feel that IFMAs integrity is compromised and we will not be a part of the organization. Good for them. Even being on this site makes you a hypocrite because TTAG regularly advertised for Glock, S&W and Springfield. Now Springfield will learn the hard way. This says a lot about the people running the company. Are they doing town halls? Im both an Illinois resident and a SA collector with over half of my collection being custom and box SA products. The local ones are more like highway bandits than gun dealers. Ruger today is a strong supporter of everything 2A. Whats more, Larson seems genuinely appalled by what happened. And to be fair, those are twice the price of the Ruger. And their quality has never wavered (damn straight). Well after reading this and let me add no love for blue Illinois my days with SA are over. Shocking I know. Springfield Armorys Defend your legacy has a huge hypocritical meaning now. CTD are dirtbags plain and simple. Whats more, Larsonseems genuinely appalled by what happened. Advertise their treachery. +1, they are a bunch of liars praying on the ignorant. The Ceo needs to retire, and everyone on the upper levels canned to. If they pull funding from the group well have some decent evidence that they didnt and dont support this carve out and are catching crap for something which they had no part in creating. Ruger, S&W, Springfield, Rock River, Ive seen people complain about Glock and Colt, Hex Mag, and about a dozen more. Theres no way to know for sure. You can not name another firearms manufacture today that has done more than Ruger to support the NRA, the 2A and firearms owners. I buy and shoot a lot of guns, and this includes SA models, but I have put them on notice that I will never buy another unless they make this right. Its not just selling, genius. It washis lobbyist whostood aside on a bill that rations everyday Illinoisans to nine firearm transfers per year. Huh? What opinion? This year, State Senator Don Harmon needed IFMA to end their opposition to his bill. Along with lost new sales, this boneheaded move will kill resale values. The NRA would likely throw you and your fliers in the dumpster. Rock River Arms has built a reputation as a quality maker of modern sporting rifles and offers an extremely diverse list of models and options. Thats bad math and bad leadership. But I wont EVER support a company who actively supports an infringement of any kind. Never sold out to foreign companies or parts sources or manufacturing or skimped on quality control. The LAR-15 X-Series X-1 Rifle in .223/5.56mm from Rock River Arms is available at a manufacturer suggested retail price of $1,450.00 and $1,500.00, depending on the stock and color option (Black and Tan). Your Price: $744.13. Maybe they should look to Beretta. Of course there will be others that benefit as well. Sure enough, the bill passed theSenate by a single vote. After further review, Rock River Arms, Inc. (RRA) is immediately severing all ties with the Illinois Firearms Manufacturers Association (IFMA). God Bless America, As a dealer I will no longer suggest either one of these firearm companies to my customers or stock them there are many other fine firearms on the market. The bills author was Dianne Feinstein (D-CA). WARNING: The products offered for sale on this website can expose you to chemicals which are known to the State So many good options, why buy from jackasses. Dicks/Field & Stream, Troy, Hexmag, RRA, Springfield Arms, Target, CTD, et al, are making it hard on themselves.They are alienating their demographic. However, too many judges seem to rule on what they think should be fine, instead of the law. Springfield Armory today is a strong supporter of everything 2A. Any I have to ask WHY? I was a dedicated 1911 guy and really wanted to stick with something with a grip safety like the EMP contour or even the R-51. After the backlash he closed down the store and retired. if you run a company and you dont know whats going on this is what you deserve. After Bill Ruger died, Ruger also dramatically changed direction. This is income tax refund time. Im not selling it because of this cluster, but Im not buying from RRA again either. I have been casually looking at getting a 1911. I am happy with my Polytech. Your arguments are supercilious and embarrassingly logic free. He was busted before for bribing a Colonel on a Salvadorean arms deal. Springfields crime here is they didnt immediately counter the IFMA when the IFMA dropped opposition to a bill. After the next civil war, we wont allow another one. RRA looks pretty darn guilty or pretty darn incompetent. I had some AR parts on order a few days before Sands Hook. So thats a reason for ignoring the fact that Ruger basically wrote the assault weapons ban? Just keep in mind, if you have a dozen guns in your safe, I GUARANTEE you that at least one comes from a company whos compromised at some point. I was going to buy the Saint, seemed like a.nice rifle, now.they can piss up a rope. The response was to Mark about the others being vastly superior, not your comment. Rock River Arms is an American manufacturer of firearms that was founded in 1996. These two companies MUST be boycotted into bankruptcy. Your Price: $744.13. A big reason that these rifles shoot so well is the barrel. 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